they create an energy by going over the fiscal cliff and then they say because we have this big emergency we need to do drastic things to defund mostly the domestic side of government, turn it over to private industry. that's their aim. it's to drown the government in their bathtub as grover norquist famously said. >> i know. that sounds like the late senator moynihan that the idea of supply side was basically to get rid of so much revenue the government had such big deficits that even liberals couldn't call for new programs. dana, your thoughts on that? >> that would be well and good except they're also getting all the taxes to go up at the same time so they're not achieving anything by that. the republicans realize they lose politically if we go over the fiscal cliff, but this isn't just a political thing. the country loses economically if we go over it and then everybody is going to suffer -- >> let's go back to normal world. assume everybody is rational for five seconds. >> i can't do that. >> dana, you first. you're here in washington and then ron. what's the game play out the next f